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Post by Luckycharm Sun Aug 30, 2009 9:00 pm

Forgive me if this has already been posted and I missed the thread.

We know from Quantity Time that Miriam's mother is still alive, so I think it would be interesting for Helga to visit her either alone or with her family. I haven't thought of any specific details, but I think this has good potential for a heartwarming episode.
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Post by coloredskies84 Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:00 am

I like an episode about Helga's grandma. Smile I have a couple of ideas that could go with this: maybe Miriam's mother decided to come visit them and they all try to prepare for her visit? Or we could make this idea sort of like a sequel to the episode "Road Trip." Maybe Bob could be working alot during a time that Miriam visits her mother so he makes Miriam drag Helga along ("Eh...we can't leave Olga home...Miriam, you take her.").
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Post by Hellerick Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:56 am

I always liked the idea that once reaching their destination in Road Trip episode, Helga would end up in the same village we saw in Arnold Visits Arnie episode.

I guess this idea can be logically combined with Cousin Hilda concept.
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Post by acemcjace169 Fri Sep 04, 2009 4:21 am

Oh this will be interesting. Will she be a sweet old lady or a nasty old hag? Maybe we should wait to develop this character.
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Post by Iffy Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:43 pm

maybe Helga's grandma could be both... like Helga. and her name can be Geraldine, since that's Helga's middle name.
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Post by Hellerick Thu Sep 17, 2009 3:08 am

Iffy wrote:maybe Helga's grandma could be both... like Helga. and her name can be Geraldine, since that's Helga's middle name.

Yeah, and since Helga is most likely named after her grandma, she would end up Arnold's cousin.

Don't go there!
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Post by Saphine Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:35 am

You know, I like this idea a lot, and I think it has potential to be something really funny as well as touching.

I mean, if you look at it plainly, Helga's family doesn't exactly treat her the best. Bob's always barking about something or other, Miriam's usually mentally-absent, and her sister is often busy with something so-very-wonderful and... you get the point. I know there are moments in the show when her family does something decent for Helga (like when her dad took her to see Rats, for example), but most of the time, it's usually pretty depressing in the Pataki household.

I think it would be nice to have someone in Helga's family who actually understands her. Someone like the Nanny that Bob hired to take care of Helga, but a little more senile and wild and a lot less prim and proper.

It would be an opportunity where we can learn where Helga get's some of her personality traits from, too. We all know she's like her dad, loud and angry, but what about her passion for poetry? Or even her stalker-antics? I think it could be funny to find that Helga is a lot like her Grandmother — unibrow, name, and all. I could even see her grandma saying, "Criminey!"
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Post by tendra91 Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:52 pm

Saphine's idea just made me think of another idea.

I know a lot of Helga's features (loud, angry, unibrow, certain phrases, ect.) come from Bob's side of the family, and I'd be expecting those features to be present in Bob's parents, not Miriam's (since she's supposed to be the "prettier" one where Olga gets all her pretty physical features and such).

What about a renion between Bob's parents and Miriam's parents? Because I know that there is some probable tension between the two pairs of grandparents, since Miriam made the "mistake" of dropping out of college to be w/ Bob.
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Post by Iffy Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:06 pm

tendra91 wrote:Saphine's idea just made me think of another idea.

I know a lot of Helga's features (loud, angry, unibrow, certain phrases, ect.) come from Bob's side of the family, and I'd be expecting those features to be present in Bob's parents, not Miriam's (since she's supposed to be the "prettier" one where Olga gets all her pretty physical features and such).

What about a renion between Bob's parents and Miriam's parents? Because I know that there is some probable tension between the two pairs of grandparents, since Miriam made the "mistake" of dropping out of college to be w/ Bob.

I just watched that episode yesterday where she said to olga " Don't Make The Same Mistake I did"

I think that would be neat, like a little family reunion.
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Post by Luckycharm Tue Sep 22, 2009 3:16 am

I think the one on one between Helga and her grandmother would leave more room for bonding and such, but there is no reason there couldn't be a family reunion as well. However, I feel that Miriam's father is probably either absent or dead, considering she went to take care of her mother and didn't mention her father in that episode. The reunion could be just as interesting I think with Bob's parents and Miriam's mom.

Miriam's family represents all she could have been, since I feel that her marriage to Bob is what caused her alcoholism and lack of motivation. I can imagine Miriam's family to be educated, beautiful, etc., while Bob's is crass and ambitious.
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Post by Iffy Tue Sep 22, 2009 5:36 am

I think it would give Helga a sense of belonging to someone if she bonded with her grandmother
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Post by 18log Tue Sep 22, 2009 6:05 am

Ooh man i think i got a great idea for this episode!

How bout Bob, Miriam, Olga, and Helga visit their grandparents.
When they get there, Bob realizes that their grandparents' home was near an Indian Casino. Bob and Miriam go to the casino, leaving behind Olga and Helga to bond with their grandparents.

Maybe afterwards in the story, while Olga is being 'Ms Perfect' in front of their grandma, Olga offers to get her some tea. While she's out of the room, Helga could be telling herself why everyone likes Olga so much. Grandma hears it and tells Helga how annoying her sister is and how she was just pretending to like all her accomplishments. Helga and her grandma could be having a great time bonding with each other by sometimes making Olga do things for them x] (or something).

As for Bob and Miriam, i thought maybe Bob could be losing all his money and meeting with the Casino owners for not having enough money?

While Miriam could be sitting in one of those Casino bar's drinking "hyped shakes" or something? (it cant be any kind of alcohol right?)
and then yeah maybe she could be having fun with people...

Miriam could be having fun, Bob is facing the Casino boss, Helga and her grandma are bonding pretty well, and Olga is being taken advantage at without her knowing.


the ending i still dont know.... hehe
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Post by Iffy Tue Sep 22, 2009 4:59 pm

lol it has some promise... I was thinking that Miriam and bob go on a trip by themselves and drop Helga off at the grandmothers. just for a weekend or something. Helga's mad because she wanted to stay with Phoebe, but Phoebe also has relatives over. OR Helga's grandmother could stay the weekend at their house.
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Post by Luckycharm Tue Sep 22, 2009 11:07 pm

Iffy wrote:lol it has some promise... I was thinking that Miriam and bob go on a trip by themselves and drop Helga off at the grandmothers. just for a weekend or something. Helga's mad because she wanted to stay with Phoebe, but Phoebe also has relatives over. OR Helga's grandmother could stay the weekend at their house.

I like the idea of Helga being dropped off at her grandmothers. Maybe she could have memories of being bored when she was younger with Bob's parents, so that's what she expects, but Miriam's mom is different. This wouldn't be the first time they met, but probably the first time without others around to influence and annoy them. Maybe she could tell Helga about how Miriam was as a child?

Even if they aren't exactly alike, which I wouldn't really expect, I think it's important for Helga to be able to bond with someone in her family.
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Post by Saphine Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:29 am

Here's another idea, just for brainstorming sake: What if Miriam's mom came to visit Hillwood instead of having the family go out of town to visit her? We could say that Bob and Miriam had to leave town for some event (like a business trip, wedding anniversary, a performance by Olga, whatever), and because Helga can't miss school, they called Grandma to come watch her?

Hmm, I have no idea. All I know is that...

Luckycharm wrote:Maybe she could tell Helga about how Miriam was as a child?

I really, really like this idea. LoL.
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Post by Luckycharm Wed Sep 23, 2009 1:33 am

Saphine wrote:Here's another idea, just for brainstorming sake: What if Miriam's mom came to visit Hillwood instead of having the family go out of town to visit her? We could say that Bob and Miriam had to leave town for some event (like a business trip, wedding anniversary, a performance by Olga, whatever), and because Helga can't miss school, they called Grandma to come watch her?

I like this idea too. Then we could start the episode with Helga complaining about the visit at school about how boring it will be, etc., then to go home and maybe her grandmother is already there because her parents left in the morning. Performance by Olga is good too, I think, leading into a moment where Helga complains about Olga's attention and her Grandma comforts her, tells her about Miriam, etc.
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Post by Hellerick Wed Sep 23, 2009 10:48 am

I would rather replace Grandma with an aunt. Grandma is supposed to love her children. I can't imagine a grandma to say something like "Hey, my son is as bad as my parents were!" While with an aunt Helga could share her dislike for older siblings in general and Big Bob in particular. Plus she could give more insight into Helga's parents past than a grandma.

Well, of course we can have both Grandma and Aunt.
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Post by Luckycharm Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:51 pm

Hellerick wrote:I would rather replace Grandma with an aunt. Grandma is supposed to love her children. I can't imagine a grandma to say something like "Hey, my son is as bad as my parents were!" While with an aunt Helga could share her dislike for older siblings in general and Big Bob in particular. Plus she could give more insight into Helga's parents past than a grandma.

Well, of course we can have both Grandma and Aunt.

Well, in the case we were discussing, it would be Mariam's mother. In that case, it could very well be that she dislikes Bob. I imagined the Olga thing to be more Helga complaining about Olga's perfection and her Grandmother helping her feel better about herself. And maybe Mariam was awkward as a child? She can help Helga put some things into perspective. I think she could give just as much insight into Mariam's past as an aunt.

I guess I just much prefer the Grandmother idea.
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Post by Saphine Thu Sep 24, 2009 1:01 am

I also prefer the Grandma idea, not because I dislike Aunts or anything, but because I think old people can be a tad more entertaining. Look at Phil and Gertie (especially Gertie). While I don't think Helga's grandma would be as zany as Arnold's, I think she could have that senile-youth (wow, what a paradox, lol) that would make the episode very funny.

Also, I find that some physical and personality traits skip a generation in a lot of families. For example, I share a lot of similarities with my grandma that I don't share with my mother, and likewise, my mother shares more similarities with her own grandmother than her mother. It's not to say that I'm just like my grandma, but the traits are there. So I think it would make sense to have Helga be somewhat similar to her Grandma.

But I do like the Aunt idea, too. If we do go with the Aunt thing, I think we could show a similar Helga-Olga relationship between Miriam and her sister, maybe with Miriam being the "Olga" of the family and the Aunt as the "Helga." That would explain why Helga can relate with her Aunt about her own familial situation.

OH, that gives me an idea. Whether Helga goes to visit her grandma or vice versa, I think it would be a fun episode to have the Grandma tell Helga about Miriam, her sister, and the relationship they had (like the one I explained above). She could describe what they were like — Miriam as talented and beautiful and her Aunt as awkward and wild — and where they ended up — Miriam as a stay-at-home mom and her Aunt as some successful business woman (like the roles have been reversed). It will make Helga empathize with her aunt and sympathize with her mom. Maybe?

Whatever the case, I think it will be nice to have Helga appreciate her mom who chose love over a bright future. Also, I think it would be funny to show how the ugly duckling (the Aunt) became the successful one, perhaps as a subliminal message saying Helga may turn out the same in the future. Either way, I just think it would be fun to see what traits Helga gets from her mom and her side of the family.

Oh, and one last thing... I think it could be neat if Helga found her mom or Aunt's book of poetry, showing where Helga gets her passion for writing from?

I don't know... just throwing ideas out there.
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Post by Luckycharm Thu Sep 24, 2009 2:21 am

Saphine wrote:
OH, that gives me an idea. Whether Helga goes to visit her grandma or vice versa, I think it would be a fun episode to have the Grandma tell Helga about Miriam, her sister, and the relationship they had (like the one I explained above). She could describe what they were like — Miriam as talented and beautiful and her Aunt as awkward and wild — and where they ended up — Miriam as a stay-at-home mom and her Aunt as some successful business woman (like the roles have been reversed). It will make Helga empathize with her aunt and sympathize with her mom. Maybe?

I like this idea very much! Whatever the main plot ended up being, I think this should be included definitely.
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Post by Iffy Thu Sep 24, 2009 5:46 am

I agree, this makes me picture it.

I think it could be neat if Helga found her mom or Aunt's book of poetry, showing where Helga gets her passion for writing from?


I think it would be wonderful to see who else in Helga's family writes beautiful poetry.
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Post by Jalikscheeks Sun Jan 10, 2010 4:07 am

I think the whole concept is awesome. I like the idea Grandma coming to take care of Helga while Bob and Miriam go somewhere (like a couple's retreat...at a casino perhaps?). And throughout the week, Helga and her grandmother don't get along, just because Helga doesn't get along with her family. To which she turns to Arnold who advises her to give her grandma a chance (that Grandma overhears coincidentally). And at the end, Grandma <> tells Helga that she gets annoyed with Olga being perfect and assures Helga that she will be happy and successful.

That may work because (a) we know from the "Married" episode that Helga will be pretty and successful in some way and (b) it would be good if Helga relates to someone in her family in one way. It would be even awesome if Grandma says something about Helga and Arnold being a cute couple to which Helga freaks out about but then smiles loving.

I can hear the cool jazz music in my head even now, lol.

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