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Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

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Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by PleaseSendMoney on Fri Jun 17, 2011 5:42 am

Simply put, there shouldn't be any. Arnold doesn't develop feelings for Helga until the Jungle Movie, and things between them are almost the same as they were before her confession, except Arnold knows and is just pretending it never happened.
However, what you can do is make situations that Arnold will remember in the Jungle Movie that mighty help him gain these feelings, e.g. Helga might do something really nice for him and he later remembers this in the Jungle movie as evidence that Helga's not just some bully.

I think we can all agree on this.

EDIT: Also, I personally don't believe in the idea that Arnold has subconciously been in love with Helga all this time. All 'Arnold Visits Arnie' proves is that Arnold would like Helga if she showed her nicer side more, and the end of Arnold's dream in 'Married' is almost word for word what Helga said at the beginning, which leads me to believe that he heard it subconciously but he wasn't paying full attention.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by FDK on Sat Jun 18, 2011 1:21 am

I agree with you in the sense that making them act like a couple would make it more like a fanfiction than a continuation of the show, which is the whole point of this project, to begin with.

Still, I at least think that the whole revelation Helga did in the movie should at least have some impact towards their relationship, but everything will still be like it usually is, regardless. A few moments, which build up the whole "getting together" thing that happens in the "Jungle Movie", could still be implemented into the plot of the episodes, so that it feels like it is somewhat moving there, but still quite slowly.

By this, I don't mean that Arnold has to be reciprocal to Helga's feelings towards him, but that he at least starts to appreciate her a bit more. I always felt that Helga during the course of the original show in fact went much softer with her harrassments, as time went by, and began becoming nicer to Arnold, but still having that attitude that she wants everyone to believe is her true self. Arnold could in fact see this and think of her a bit higher than he has done, in the past. Plus, they could now be around each other without Helga throwing insults every second and pulling pranks on him, which would show some character development between the two, at least.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by PleaseSendMoney on Sat Jun 18, 2011 2:59 am

So basically, when they're alone together, Helga's more likely to act slightly nicer, but when they're in front of anyone else she more likely to be her usual self. That could work quite well actually. (Though maybe she reverts to her usual self in private if things start getting to close to anything related to her affections, like we saw in the Journal when the car drives away and Arnold almost discovers her monologuing)
I personally think that Arnold would also try not to think of the confession, and so he eventually almost forgets it. This is because of his constant denial of Helga loving him (which explains his denseness to it before the confession) and he still tries to deny it afterwards because it was all a bit of a shock and a bit too much at once to take in, and he just gets really confused about Helga when he tries to think it through. Don't worry, he will remember the confession in the Jungle Movie.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by FDK on Sat Jun 18, 2011 8:54 am

Pretty much, yeah. However, I was still thinking that she would not be as extreme with her insults even when there are others watching. I mean, sure, she can still be mean, but not to the extreme that was sometimes done in the show.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by WillBillXP on Sat Jun 18, 2011 4:34 pm

I think a few of my ideas from my "7 different ideas thread" seem to have given you the inspiration for this topic, so I figure I should add my input Razz.

Disagreements are natural about this subject because it is a little on the touchy side, and we all have our own interpretations to just how much Arnold has caught on to Helga. Although we can probably agree that he is aware of everything on a subconscious level, it is harder to portray Arnold's relationship in a post-movie context without risking writing him out of character. I also think that the actual writers of the show had the same disagreements themselves on how to approach Helga-x-Arnold as well. In several episodes and in the movie Arnold seems totally oblivious to Helga's affections. But in others such as "School Play" and "Helga Sleepwalks" he uses the line "whatever you say Helga" implying that he suspects it to some degree. In a show as versatile as Hey Arnold, I think disagreements on character interpretation are inevitable and are going to depend on the writer of the episode. So I think the best way is to go about this situation is to compromise to some degree (if their ideas are extreme) and allow situations that allow the audience to have multiple interpretations of how Arnold views Helga.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by Retromanka on Sun Jun 19, 2011 4:41 am

I agree with you)
To add I think we should show not dual situations but dual Arnold's thinking on this situations.

I had quiet qood explanation earlier but now I can't understand...Am I right?
Arnold is only trying not to think 'cause it's all maze and believes as time passes it will take own places? Or he's slightly aware of Helga's love but waits for Helga to make confession? Or he generally doen't understand Helga but there's something he likes in her he doesn't realize completely?

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by Meganium on Mon Aug 08, 2011 3:16 pm

I think we should have them developing a closer relationship, but not a romantic one. Arnold needs to see bits and pieces of the real Helga. Otherwise, why would he fall for her by the Jungle Movie? He needs to appreciate the person Helga really is, instead of the bully she pretends to be. Therefore, I think Helga should be making attempts, throughout this whole season, to be nicer to Arnold, and Arnold should be maybe a little more concerned/interested in what's going on with Helga. This season needs to be a transition between Helga's confession to Arnold, and Arnold's confession to Helga, and it's a time for Arnold's feelings towards Helga to be developing.

That said, having overly romantic interaction between the two would just be silly. But little hints are perfect, just like in the show.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by gjsmo on Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:11 pm

Episode idea!

For one episode, Arnold starts having to chase Helga for some reason... and ends up seeing how much Helga loves him, even when they're not at the top of a 50-story building. Maybe he accidentally puts an essay in Helga bag (REALLY accidentally), and has to go get it because it's an F and he doesn't want Helga to make fun of him?

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by Meganium on Mon Aug 08, 2011 6:55 pm

Hmm...I think Helga's love for him should be expressed in little ways. Such as her sticking up for him when another kid talks down to him, or backing him up when he has an idea that no one else wants to do. Of course, when asked why she's being so nice, she'll just say something like, "Because you wouldn't shut up until SOMEONE backed you up, and anyway, watching you blabbing on to THOSE bozos is painful to watch. I only helped you because you were pitiful, Football Head." XD

Also, Arnold's too smart to get an F. Something really bad would have to happen for him to get such a bad score...

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by gjsmo on Tue Aug 09, 2011 12:31 am

Ok, so something bad DOES happen to him and then Helga starts caring about him and they're both tailing each other?

Or maybe Mr. Simmons had a mix-up, and Arnold knew it (maybe Stinky got and A+), so he was going to ask Mr. Simmons, but put the essay on Helga's desk because he was distracted, and forgot to pick it up? And he thinks that Helga would spread the rumor that he failed a test, and that's why he needs the essay back. Convoluted, I know, but so was Star Trek.

It was a random idea though. I just needed a reason for Arnold to be spying on Helga.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by shameonpretzel on Tue Aug 09, 2011 5:59 am

PleaseSendMoney wrote:Simply put, there shouldn't be any. Arnold doesn't develop feelings for Helga until the Jungle Movie, and things between them are almost the same as they were before her confession, except Arnold knows and is just pretending it never happened.
However, what you can do is make situations that Arnold will remember in the Jungle Movie that mighty help him gain these feelings, e.g. Helga might do something really nice for him and he later remembers this in the Jungle movie as evidence that Helga's not just some bully.

I think we can all agree on this.


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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by Meganium on Tue Aug 09, 2011 10:01 am

Amen to that. Very Happy

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by gjsmo on Thu Aug 11, 2011 9:23 am

Forgive my bluntness, but doesn't it seem like Arnold just HAS to know about Helga's feelings for him? He's not THAT thick.

Personally, I think Arnold knows, and Helga knows that - but they're both to scared to say anything (unless they happen to be at the top of a 50-story building). Feel free to disagree.

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by Meganium on Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:20 pm

Oh, I think he definitely knows, but is pretending not to for the sake of Helga's dignity. I mean, she was kind of pretty much obvious about it in the movie. XD When he asked, "You didn't really mean all that stuff, did you?" he was giving her a chance to go back to the way things were, since Helga obviously isn't really ready for him to know yet. It also gives him more time to think about how HE feels instead of just flat-out refusing her. He's such a considerate boy. Smile

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Re: Implications of ArnoldxHelga Content

Post by kakarotta on Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:36 pm

i agree with you that´s why i love him he is so sweet

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